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andydeans3
V4 Guru
United Kingdom
2016 Posts |  Posted - 11 Jul 2020 : 21:57:25  
| Does anyone have a pair of the operating levers, that actuate the handbrake? (that fit inside the rear hubs).
1978 LHD SAAB 96
1978 MGB Roadster
2008 LHD "Classic" Renault Twingo
1991 Nissan Figaro |
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deggsie
V4 Fanatic
United Kingdom
432 Posts | |
andydeans3
V4 Guru
United Kingdom
2016 Posts | Posted - 12 Jul 2020 : 13:21:35
| I actually want a set of old, original ones, that I'll fettle with a spot weld in the place where they wear.
I have a set of "new" ones, that just don't work too well. (bought them at the SAAB autojumble at Trollhattan at the 2015 SAAB Festival).
It's MOT time again, and I'm having the same issues I had last year.
Hand brake full on, poor, poor hand brake. Since I always drive on Freewheel, it's not good.
Hard to explain in words, but the levers are now bottoming out against the front aperture of the backplate, so can't apply any more pull.
the cables are new. The drums are of course worn, (I had to recently fit a set of those 2mm extended brake adjusters, to compensate for the worn drums), which may be the root of the problem, though the garage managed to get a solid hand brake last year for the MOT, once I gave them the new cables.
I am going to have a go at heating, and bending back, slightly the operating arms on these "new" operating arms, to see if I can get some more purchase.
If that doesn't work, I'd like to fit a a set of "fettled" originals, to see if that makes a difference.
Either that or pay £500 for 2 new rear hubs!!!
Here's a thought - is it possible to fill brake area on the old hubs with weld, and then put them in a lathe, and cut them back to standard size, ie the ID when they are new?
It would of course, perhaps, cost more than 2 new hubs!
1978 LHD SAAB 96
1978 MGB Roadster
2008 LHD "Classic" Renault Twingo
1991 Nissan Figaro |
Edited by - andydeans3 on 12 Jul 2020 13:27:25 |  |
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deggsie
V4 Fanatic
United Kingdom
432 Posts | Posted - 12 Jul 2020 : 14:03:07
| Andy
I'll have a look to see if I kept the old ones which I replaced with the Skandix ones (don't hold your breath).
The key to optimum handbrake leverage is to have these levers angled slightly towards the back of the car when the handbrake is off. I found a good guide to handbrake adjustment a while ago (but now can't remember where), fortunately I kept a copy and quite short, so reproduced below.
I suspect the longer adjusting wedges will do nothing to help the handbrake which operates on the other end of the shoe.
Never heard of re-metalling the drums, as you say will probably cost as much as new hubs.
What about thicker lining on the shoes ?
Derek
Saab V4 Handbrake Adjustment
1.Jack up rear of car – adjustment can be done with wheels in place.
2.Turn the rear brake adjuster/wedges until they lock the brakes, then back out 1/4 turn or until the wheel just rotates free.
Note: Handbrake actuating levers should be angled slightly to the rear when ‘off’ for maximum mechanical advantage. Create more slack by undoing adjusting nuts at handbrake lever if needed. Check/re-adjust brake adjuster if needed.
3.Pull the hand brake lever all the way up and grab a cable between the front seats with pliers/molegrips.
4.Release the hand brake lever (but still hold the cable tight with the pliers), and pull it up again three clicks.
5.Take out the slack in the cable by turning the adjusting nut in until the wheel locks (still holding the cable).
Then, if you release the handbrake lever, the wheel should rotate freely again.
6.Repeat for the other cable.
If you run out of thread to take away the slack, the cables are stretched too far and should be replaced.
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Saab - beyond the conventional ! |
Edited by - deggsie on 12 Jul 2020 14:06:22 | |
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andydeans3
V4 Guru
United Kingdom
2016 Posts | Posted - 12 Jul 2020 : 14:23:16
| Deggsie
I agree that the adjusters have little to do with the handbrake, since they operate at the other end.
Thanks for the little procedure, it's part of a thread that I started last year, when I couldn't get the hand brake up to MOT standards.
If you can find your old ones, let me know.
Unfortunately, because the car was at the garage for its MOT, I just gave the garage the new cables, and operating arms, and I don't think I got the old ones back. I literally turned my garage upside down, yesterday, looking for them.
Let me know.
Ps Glamis would have been great this weekend. No rain, I bet it pours next year!!
1978 LHD SAAB 96
1978 MGB Roadster
2008 LHD "Classic" Renault Twingo
1991 Nissan Figaro |
Edited by - andydeans3 on 12 Jul 2020 15:47:51 | |
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Betsy67
V4 Fanatic
United Kingdom
409 Posts | Posted - 12 Jul 2020 : 18:50:49
| A bit off the mark as you say you’re wanting old ones.
I recently took a bit of a gamble and bought 2 classic mini one -£12.00 for the pair. Not had chance to use/build up the hub assembly as it’s probably easier to do once back on the car. Laying the mini one over the Saab one- there is virtually no difference. Suppose I’ll find out at rebuild time  | |
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deggsie
V4 Fanatic
United Kingdom
432 Posts | Posted - 12 Jul 2020 : 19:25:52
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Originally posted by Betsy67Laying the mini one over the Saab one- there is virtually no difference.
Any chance of a photo of the Mini and SAAB levers side by side ?
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Betsy67
V4 Fanatic
United Kingdom
409 Posts | Posted - 12 Jul 2020 : 20:52:06
| I can easily put a picture on one of FB v4 groups. Don’t have access to a web host anymore and it’s such a pain in the A to upload.
I’ll post one tomorrow. | |
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Betsy67
V4 Fanatic
United Kingdom
409 Posts | Posted - 13 Jul 2020 : 20:07:11
| Done
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andydeans3
V4 Guru
United Kingdom
2016 Posts | |
deggsie
V4 Fanatic
United Kingdom
432 Posts | Posted - 13 Jul 2020 : 22:03:00
| Andy
No it's on https://www.facebook.com/groups/8110454092/ (the 'Saab 96 V4 (1967-1980)' page).
The levers are remarkably similar and obviously work in exactly the same way. The 'vertical' arm on the Mini ones is quite a bit shorter, so doubt they would apply the correct mechanical force on the Saab shoes.
Derek
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Saab - beyond the conventional ! |
Edited by - deggsie on 13 Jul 2020 22:05:30 | |
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andydeans3
V4 Guru
United Kingdom
2016 Posts | Posted - 14 Jul 2020 : 00:01:51
| I see it now.
Yes, as you and Steve have both said, remarkably similar.
I think it's worth a punt.
I think I'll get a pair and try them.
Andy
1978 LHD SAAB 96
1978 MGB Roadster
2008 LHD "Classic" Renault Twingo
1991 Nissan Figaro | |
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ratty
V4 Fanatic
United Kingdom
340 Posts | Posted - 14 Jul 2020 : 11:00:32
| | I fitted a mini pair few years back still working ok. You will have to drill out the clevis pin hole mini is a bit smaller. Also material is a bit thinner. Otherwise work ok. Bought on ebay £11-£12. So good value for money. Also if you need the rubber boots use mgb,reliant scimitar,austin 1100 type. Ebay again about £5.00 a pair. | |
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andydeans3
V4 Guru
United Kingdom
2016 Posts | Posted - 14 Jul 2020 : 13:30:03
| Ratty
Thanks mate, I've ordered a pair.
Drilling out the clevis pin hole will be a squoosh!
Cost 12 quid. Bad news, £6 for postage!
1978 LHD SAAB 96
1978 MGB Roadster
2008 LHD "Classic" Renault Twingo
1991 Nissan Figaro | |
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deggsie
V4 Fanatic
United Kingdom
432 Posts | Posted - 14 Jul 2020 : 17:53:34
| Still waaay cheaper than 47 euros each (plus postage) for the Saab ones !
Let us know how you get on.
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Saab - beyond the conventional ! | |
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andydeans3
V4 Guru
United Kingdom
2016 Posts | Posted - 14 Jul 2020 : 20:07:29
| Deggsie
£51 each + postage, from one UK supplier!
I will report back.
Stig tells me there's maybe a "meet up" at Grantown sometime soon?
Andy
1978 LHD SAAB 96
1978 MGB Roadster
2008 LHD "Classic" Renault Twingo
1991 Nissan Figaro |
Edited by - andydeans3 on 17 Jul 2020 23:10:02 | |
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Wanted: Hand brake operating levers.
